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Additional Smithing Table use in 1.17 (Copper)

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    Naten4633 They never said anything of the sort. I don't think copper gear should be in Minecraft, but Bronze was a key part of history and it has a place in Minecraft. But, they never said that they wouldn't add copper gear, and even if they did, that and Bronze gear are completely different.

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    I would like everyone to know that I am now pro-tin. If implemented correctly, Tin would be an amazing decorative block, solving the problem of people wanting to build with Iron Blocks but it's too expensive.

    Tin would only be found in Ocean/Mountains biomes, as valleys and oceans is where most tin is found in real life. However, it would be very rare. I suggest tin nuggets become one of the main drops of archeology. 

    Tin blocks would look a slightly more grey version of Iron. Cut Tin could also be added. I would also support the addition of Tin Bars, a horizontal version of Iron Bars that can be placed as a floor/roof. Three Tin Ingots in a vertical line can create a tin pipe- which can transfer items between hoppers, fixing the need of so much iron in a hopper chain And, Two Copper Ingots and One Tin Ingot would give the player three Bronze Ingots, which can be used in the smithing table to upgrade Iron Tools to Bronze ones. Bronze Ingots' primary use will be making their tools, but Bronze Blocks/Chisled Bronze Blocks, which can be used as beacon fuel, could also be a cool addition.

    One last thing, Locks and Keys should be added. Both Tin and Bronze should have a function in this, The Keys should be made of Tin, and the Locks should be made of Bronze and Chains.

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    I think crafting Bronze from Copper and Tin gets rid of the problem of iron "never seeing the light of day." However, this also generates a new problem: people getting diamond before Bronze. To solve this, in C&C Diamonds should be made rarer (something that should have been done a long time ago,) but to solve this, Diamonds should generate more by the Deep Dark, and a lava cave variant if this is added. Having to find diamonds primarily in the Deep Dark would incentivise players to gear up on full Bronze before searching for diamonds in the biome.

    I got a lot of my ideas about Tin from this post. (link here), which talks about Tin and it's uses and is what changed my viewpoint on Tin, it has some great ideas and really needs some more votes. I have also made my own post about the additional uses of tin that can be found here.

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    Some Textures I made for Bronze and a Bronze Sword (Sorry for bad quality)

    Unfortunately, I can't update my post to include Tin, because the last time I did that they deleted the whole thing. 

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    I like the idea of combining existing ores, but bronze just wouldn't have any unique uses to justify it's existence. Besides, we still have a couple new ores in this update that need more recipes so I think bronze can wait for now.

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    ChomboLombo Copper would HAVE more usage if mojang actually reviewed any of the stuff in this category. I'm fine with copper being added onto just iron, but i really feel like they should add tin too. I have about six or seven uses on my post about tin so if it is added it won't be just another useless ore :) 

    So you say Bronze doesn't have any "unique uses." 

    The only gears in the game that have unique uses are gold, which can be used as protection from piglins, and leather, which can be dyed. No player wears a full set of gold or leather armor. (unless they are on creative mode) I am suggesting adding an extra step of progression to the game that would be helpful especially if diamond is made rarer in 1.17, which it almost certainly will be. First a player gets Iron, and then, while they are slowly procuring diamond, they upgrade their iron armor to bronze while they are waiting. Maybe Bronze tools could mine obsidian like diamond ones, albeit with a slower mining time. This would make speedruns less reliant on lava and buckets. 

    I have a post about fauns where better armor gives you better loot, but i doubt this will be added and i'm not relying on it as a use for bronze. I just thing Bronze could be the perfect branch between iron and diamond, because there is too big of a gap between the two at the moment.

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    A good idea, but not very accurate. Sure, Minecraft has things like floating blocks and dragons, but Bronze is actually made from Copper and Tin.

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    AstroPenguin424 Please read my comments, i changed my mind that bronze is made from copper and tin, but i cannot change my post as the last time i did that it got deleted .-.

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    YungTak or Nova or any other mods on this site, PLEASE let me edit this post so i can include tin. The only reason  im not doing it now is bcs im scared it will get deleted. When editing a post please just reject the edit and dont delete the entire thing ;-;

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    I feel like adding another armor class is only justified if the mid game actually gets longer, or else it would probably be used very little by the players.

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    I had that idea before, I think it's an REALY good idea. Better then Iron, but by a little.

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    Holden Elias The mid-game likely will get longer as diamonds will almost certainly be made rarer in 1.17.

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    TymJuniver True - but I think it would be better if enchanting iron armor was incentivized. Maybe you could alloy any armor type with copper to increase its enchantability?

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    Yeah but gold is the same speed of Diamond! I tested it, I think is even a little faster by making gold more durable then why go searching for diamonds! 

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    Holden Elias I'm afraid there are very few cases where people will want to enchant iron armor as you had to have already gotten diamonds (3 for a pickaxe to get obsidian, 2 for a table) and most people will have already made a sword before a table. Adding Copper to items such as leather or diamond would not make sense. This idea is quite simple. 2 Copper + 1 Tin + 1 Iron tool = Bronze. The Bronze would be not as easy to get as iron, but not as hard as diamond. Adding stuff like copper handles to all tools or copper alloys to all armors would simply not make sense.

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    TymJuniver Fair Enough. Unless diamonds were made really rare, that most likely wouldn't be a good investment. with the new brimstone hardness, it would be a good idea to have a copper upgrade, at least for a pick. Maybe to balance it, bronze armor should be less enchant able so people have to mine for a set of diamond if they want more endgame armor. (or else people might stick with their bronze armour, as it would be good enough for more skilled players.

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    TymJuniver So long as the idea doesn't become completely off-topic or irrelevant to this feedback category then you're all clear to edit the post. Go for it!

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    Thanks YungTak! Will do!

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    What if we combined the allows (Copper and Iron) + (Copper and Gold) + (Copper and Netherite) to create a totally new material the could be called Mineium. This would be combined with wooden (Only wood) tools to give them the combined durability, damage, speed, and power of Diamond and Netherite. Mineium would be virtually indestructable; only able to be destroyed by 10 minutes as a dropped item before despawning, or by being dropped into the Void. Cacti, Lava, and Explosions would do nothing against this materiel. 

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    Caleb Pileri That is WAY too overpowered.

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    dude this would be so sick! I hope this makes it into 1.17 in some way, ive wanted copper tools for so long in vanilla. So Mojang, please look into this there is some great ideas in the comments of this post, have a good one :)

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    I had the same idea about tin being added into Minecraft for the purpose of bronze. I was thinking how could bronze be crafted. Bronze during the Ancient Greek times was used a lot in armor and weaponry, especially spears and shield. So this is a great time to add spear made 3 diagonal ingots. And to make a bronze shield why not use the smithing table (the same thing to make netherite things). This will give more use to the block, since at the current moment it has little use. Bronze and Tin blocks will give us more building items. Also, Tins properties halt corrosion so maybe it can act like lapis in repairing armor and tools along with XP, maybe even for oxidized copper but wax is already a good solution for that. Tin is also used to make solder which is a fusible metal alloy used to create a permanent bond between metal workpieces, so that can change the daylight sensor recipe (maybe one tin ingot and 2 quartz?) And if heat was ever introduced into redstone, tin would be great for that. Now for bronze besides tools, would be a bunch of decorations such as cups, rails, window/door frames, and plaques. 

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    I feel like it would be better if copper was used to upgrade stone and gold. You should also upgrade copper tools to iron, that would be nice.

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    Ethan Elhart Upgrading Stone tools is unrealistic. Upgrading Gold is one of the most talked-about comments on this thread, but I feel that since Bronze has a more prominent place in history, it should be added instead.

    Copper tools will never and should never be added. They would add nothing to this game.

    XxGongyuanxX I was thinking about how solder could be added. I was thinking that it could be used for directional redstone. Maybe two tin ingots side-by-side could create 6 solder, which is a redstone-like item that acts like normal redstone, but can be placed directionally and cannot create corners, similar to powered rails.

    I would also like to see spears in the game. Maybe two Bronze Ingots, and a Speartip made of Wood, Stone, Iron, etc, would make that type of spear. Diamond Spears would be upgraded to Netherite and Iron to Bronze on the Smithing Table.

    I also like your idea with the shield, i already know the developers are testing new shield types. 

    Bronze may not be added in 1.17, but I know the developers are toying with the idea of a second combat update, and Bronze would be the perfect thing to put in it!

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    what the Smithing Table used for????

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    Game Nerd4594 Currently it is only used to upgrade diamond tools to netherite ones. My big problem with it is that it can be achieved by day one, but some players may even kill the ender dragon before upgrading their items to netherite. This suggestion gives the smithing table another, more early-game use, which only requires three ores that can be accessed pretty early (copper, iron, tin) as opposed to diamond, gold, and netherite scrap.

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    That would be a great idea but how good would copper tools be? Would they be like gold tools or like diamond tools?

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    I think just adding Bronze tools. As completly new items would be easier. Add armour too. But here's the best bit... As durability reduces. They turn green!!

    I'd say make them equally fast as iron. But more durable.

    I think Silver could be great too, it could do increased damaged against zombies. But be weak otherwise. And perhaps give silver and gold an upgraded endurance. Maybe the same as stone? Or even a little higher?

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    Oh. Also. If we add Tin. We could give it other uses. Like a bundle just for food. You put food into tins and you can eat using the tin. It's less useful then a normal bundle because it's only for food. But it's quicker in a tough situation as you can eat from the tin while it's equiped without taking the food out.

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    @JFORiordan
    You have a good idea about the tin cans.. I haven't thought about that b4. It would be cool if eating food directly from the can would compress it together so you could eat it all at once: for example you could put in 10 cookies and completely restore your hunger bar while taking less time, the more and more I think about it the more it seems like a great idea!

    As for the silver... I believe either silver or platinum fits in minecraft, but would be a dimension-only item like quartz that would be in an Aether-type dimension, which I guarantee will be added but will not come anytime soon. 1.25 at the very least.