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Additional Smithing Table use in 1.17 (Copper)

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    Rather than being crafted with copper and iron, copper and tin should be used, as in real life. Tin could be found rarely in most cases, but have a higher spawn rate in mountains, like gold in mesa, but tin would be much rarer initially. This would add another new feature to the "cliffs" and caves at the same time.

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    This is an interesting idea, maybe we could use the smithing table to make alloy's, combining ores to get new metals. We could potentially get steel, silver, and bronze as mentioned, as well as potentially sapphire if for example we combine diamonds or emeralds with amethyst. Not sure how the devs would feel about this though, if we're going to get new metals we might as well add ores, though I think it would be awesome if we could have more metals like copper where they are smelted into ingots but aren't used to make standard tools or armor.

    For example say we add silver, instead of silver gear you could craft some kind of totem that could pacify intimidate undead mobs. We could also use new ores to craft new weapons because lets say for example need steel to craft a hammer and it could be a steel exclusive thing o something. 

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    Copper should gild stone to make an iron level tool with gold durability that breaks at stone tool speed.

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    LukePlays4833 commented
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    Maybe smithing table could upgrade anything, i recently got max enchantments on iron armour but i will have to throw it away but if i could upgrade it, it would be great.

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    LukePlays4833 I think the primary use of the smithing table would be to make alloys, maybe bronze and steel could be added in a different update (another combat update)

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    EMC1811 commented
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    Interesting idea! The smithing table should absolutely be updated with increased functionality! The alloying would be interesting as well. I very much agree that the smithing table is only used late-game to upgrade your diamond gear to the strongest (netherite) in the game as of 1.16. I also think that the smithing table should be used to customize your gear to some degree.

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    FinnoHuman0 commented
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    An Iron/Copper alloy doesn't make much sense.

    Perhaps a cooler alternative would be combining a stick and a copper ingot to make a copper rod, and use that on the smithing table to upgrade your tool's handle (reminiscent of tinkerer's construct), improving durability but reducing speed.

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    coal and iron could make steel.

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    When combining copper and tin to make bronze, I argue that it would in fact not be onto a tool of the other. It is in my opinion that the ingots should be combined, possibly in a new alloy furnace. Also, though this might go a little farther, I believe that the netherite ingot should also be made with a netherite scrap and gold ingot in said alloy furnace, forcing players to make netherite armor and enchant it from scratch. (If you think about it enchantments ARE the method of upgrading something once it has already been made, so that functionality is already somewhat covered.) The smithing table could then have its functionality completely changed, possibly to a variant of the stone cutter but for metal blocks. The current smithing table use has always irked me.

    At the very least though, bronze should not be created by putting copper onto tin tools or vice versa, and should be made independently as ingots.

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    EMC1811 Thanks! That is the core of this idea, giving the smithing table increased uses beyond late-game netherite. I think there is too large of a gap between iron and diamond gear, and i'm assuming diamonds are going to be rarer in 1.17 to balance the mining strategy. Iron is a great early-game armor item, but Bronze could be ideal for mid-game, being able to upgrade your iron armor as you slowly procure diamond.

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    Chirs Rob commented
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    I agree with -not cocoapoda- gold tools are pretty useless these days. It would be interesting if they could be improved by using copper. I think a quantity of five ingots should be used (due to the ease of finding copper). And the quality of these tools should be similar to iron but a little lower in durability and protection. As its own ability the armor can attract lightning (YES), and gives you immunity to piglins but only if you carry it full. More interesting, whoever wears the armor will emit a redstone signal and it will be felt by the skulk sensor from a further distance.

    Although I'll be honest maybe minecraft doesn't need this, but it could be interesting.

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    AetherAngel01 commented
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    not-cocapodai think mixing gold and copper should give rose gold, the fastest set of tools of the game but with the same duravility as iron, and the armor would be a little better than iron, but less durable.

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    Blast Burner commented
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    I think having the blast furnace having this feature instead would be better since that's how combined alloys are made.

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    SatinsHell123 commented
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    Maybe instead of upgrading iron you could upgrade gold and get rose gold which I think would look cooler anyway.

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    I think it should only give more durability. and then gilded tools could be faster, netherite gives knockback resistance and is more durable. So far this makes sense.

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    This post is for feedback about Bronze Tools, please direct gilded tools comments to those threads please

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    It should be Rose Gold, not Copper, as that is what happens when you mix Copper and Gold in real life.

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    i like the idea man, i hope your idea gets through

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    EvilestAgenda85 we are not mixing copper and gold, that is an entirely different suggestion that has its own page, vote/comment on it there, not here

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    steve hello commented
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    maybe the bronze tools could be like a side tool which are just faster then iron also smiting tables have a mid game use with villagers to get enchanted diamond tools

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    This could work with gold to! There's a [League] (i think thats the name) between Gold and Copper: The Pink Gold (Or at least thats the name in Italian), It could be Gold but more resistant, maybe it would even be better than iron!

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    Blader15639 commented
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    It would be good if there were more tools.

     

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    Mr M 8641 commented
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    Maybe if a piece of copper armor or copper something is damaged/rusted it should be put in the table to repair/set back a stage in the rusting process. So it would be like normal tools and the anvil if the item has durability or if it has rust stages gets slightly less rusted. Or maybe in the stonecutter.

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    Naten4633 commented
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    We don't need more tools

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    I fully support the effort of adding new functionality to the smithing table. However, there are several problems with this mechanic:

    a) Bronze is an alloy made from copper and tin. Iron is in no way related to the creation of bronze.

    b) Bronze is typically viewed as a lesser material for equipment as compared to iron. If it were added at all, it would likely be placed at the same tier of armor as Chainmail.

    c) There is no room above iron and below diamond to add a new set. The only way to make bronze better would be increased durability, armor toughness or protection, and all of these make diamond less useful.

    c) You say the smithing table is only used in late-game, but given the commonality of copper, iron armor would likely never see the light of day. It would almost always be immediately upgraded into this better tier.

    While there should certainly be more uses for the smithing table, this mechanic simply does not make sense.

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    BetrayedBee2788

    a) Iron is in no way related to the creation of bronze. Actually, while Bronze is mainly copper and tin, most Bronze is made with other metals as well, such as Zinc, Nickel, and Iron. 

    b) Bronze is typically viewed as a lesser material for equipment as compared to iron. Actually, Most Bronze is stronger, denser, and less bendable than simple iron, the iron type most likely used in Minecraft. Unless they add a Carburizing Table to make carburized iron, Bronze will remain stronger.

    c) There is no room above iron and below diamond to add a new set. Apart from Tool damage, what else is there "no room" for. The tool damage would either be a decimal (6.5) or equal to iron. They also wouldn't make diamond less useful. Bronze would do much less damage to diamond than netherite, and netherite seemed fine to add. Bronze has nothing to do with diamond armor.

    the other c) I doubt this. If one were to get a full set of Iron armor, all they would have to do is mine 24 iron ore, smelt it, and then craft. If one wanted to then upgrade, they would have to spend two more iron on a smithing table (which would probably not be high on the list of priorities to use iron for), Then they would have to mine four more copper, smelt that, place the smithing table, and then upgrade their armor. Iron armor would be just as useful as diamond was after the addition of netherite.

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    I like the idea, but bronze is not the alloy it should be used for. You could combine iron and diamond to make steel, which is slightly weaker than diamond but has some other upside, or combine gold and ender pearls to make End Steel, which is extremely weak but has a powerful special ability. We don't need any new sets that don't either act as a rival to diamond/netherite or have some unique special ability.

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    Hmm - If there was going to be copper armor, I feel like it shouldn’t be stronger than iron. Minecraft doesn’t have to be super-complex; but I feel like certain things should still make sense. Copper on its own isn’t terribly good, so perhaps Mojang could simplify things by calling it Bronze Ore, simplifying the whole alloy process?

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    GoofballFrog525 I think that Diamond and Netherite rival each other and don't need any new contenders, but that's just my opinion. Bronze isn't intended to be a late-game feature, more of a mid-game feature. 

    Tirado the Red This is not going to be Copper Armor, it is going to be bronze armor. It is not going to be copper on it's own, it is going to be bronze. Bronze ore does not occur in real-life, because it is an alloy and not a naturally-occuring metal. If we were to "simplify the whole alloy process" then that takes away the point of this suggestion, adding a less late-game use to the Smithing Table.

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    Naten4633 commented
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    There will not be Bronze or Copper Tools in Minecraft. They said why on Minecraft Live. Think about copper like you think about quartz. It's only use is for crafting blocks/items, but not tools like armor and others