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Diamond Tools & Armor shouldn't be attainable from Villagers

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    Why spend so much time trading with villagers if you could just explore a bunch of structures? If anything, structure loot should be nerfed.

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    diamond is already too easy to get

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    Diamonds aren't the only thing you can find underground, though. Iron and copper (as well as low-spawning ores like lapis and redstone) can be obtained in much better quantities in caves. Also, I think it's neat that there are multiple ways to get your hands on diamond equipment, especially since it isn't the absolute strongest gear you can get without Netherite (which encourages mining in the Nether) and Lapis Lazuli for enchanting (which encourages mining deep underground in the Overworld).

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    What I don't mind about structures is that they're finite, and they're fun to find! Although Shipwrecks and Pyramids could be nerfed, they at least help encourage exploration, and you'll only loot as many as you encounter.

    Villagers, though? Infinite. The only limit to how much enchanted diamond armor you can have is how long you're willing to grind sticks for it. With the new underground, deeper diamonds and biomes like the Deep Dark, it means players can do uninspired repetitive actions and completely circumvent or even miss new interesting gameplay.

    Not to mention, the diamond gear you buy is actually enchanted, and you can even buy Lapis from Clerics, or books from Librarians. It's mind boggling. Simply put, Villagers need some rebalancing for C&C.

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    I fully agree that diamond gear is way too easy to get. In a super casual survival world if you find a village you can get a full set in a few hours before even mining iron. (Obviously an extreme example) and in lategame minecraft the diamond item itself is useless as you can buy a diamond chestplate for 1 emerald from a cured villager which in turn is worth about 1 melon meaning lategame a melon is worth as much as 8 diamonds.
    The only arguement for such a system is that it allows casual players who dont have much time to get good tools to build stuff but realistically and I know from experience many of them understand the idea that diamond is valuable so refuse to even use the gear for fear of loosing it.

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    I agree, diamond gear trades makes it seem kinda pointless to actually mine for diamonds.  But perhaps there is a way to nerf the trades without getting rid of them completely, since there would need to be some meaningful trades to replace them.

    I think one option for nerfing the diamond gear obtained by villagers is to make it so you can't upgrade it in any way, so you're stuck with whatever (bad) enchantments the villager puts on them.  There's already a concept of a prior work penalty, which could be applied to all enchanted villager tools, but there'd also need to be a way to prevent people from just using the grindstone to reset that.  Possibly a curse?  Or maybe just if the prior work penalty is the special max value that's applied for villager trades then you can't even use the grindstone on it. 
    That would mean that although you can buy diamond gear from villagers, it would have low level enchants, which means in the late game you still need to use your own diamonds.

    Another option is to get rid of the diamond gear trades and maybe have villagers other than the librarian trade enchanted books related to their profession.  Armorers would trade stuff like protection, and toolsmiths stuff like fortune.  That way you have more control over what books you want.