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Alongside armor trims, we’re also making changes to netherite upgrading. To upgrade your diamond tools and armor to Netherite variants, you will now need a Smithing Template called “Netherite Upgrade”, which can only be found in Bastion Remnant chests. We’re hoping that this change will unify the gear upgrading system with the introduction of armor trims, as well as make exploring Bastion Remnant structures a more integral part of game progression.

We would love to hear your thoughts and feedback on this change, so let us know what you think in the comments!


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    We should have stackable nether trimming so for example being able to place another item on the armor piece to get mixed designs, this could mean that the crafting table for it should get a redesign in the ui area kinda resembling the banner table (sorry I forgot the tables names). Besides this are we going to get a new fletching table ui?

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    I think a lot of people are going to forgo getting netherite gear because they don't do bastions, especially in single player worlds.  I'm glad I play in an older server and already have a good supply of netherite gear, plus friends whom I can go bust bastions with but alone, I'd never do it.  

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    There should be some sort of item to locate bastions, like there being a small chance that a chest at the netherportal ruins has lodestone compass that takes you to the bastion. This would introduce the player to the lodestone.

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    I think it's already extremely hard to get Netherite, and this is completely unnecessary, people were already surprised about how hard it is to get when it was introduced. I've never come across ancient debris, and I've been playing Minecraft as my main game for many years now. Also it's too expensive to duplicate a template. Trims shouldn't be something that you have to consider whether or not you should duplicate a trim or make a piece of diamond armour. It's something most players are never going to see probably.

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    I love this change! Minecraft progression goes way too fast, and an extra challenge to get netherite armor is a great idea. More scarcity, more challenge, this keeps things interesting! Please keep this change.

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    I'm so into this new update! Minecraft is getting too boring because players can get the items too easily because of how everyone is used to the mechanics of the game. By changing existing mechanics just like the Netherite, this makes the late game phase a little harder to achieve. These people complaining are just a bunch of lazy people who are too lazy to grind for their stuffs. And some people complaining about servers possibly making this more harder because players could grief or mass raid a bastion could make it harder for them to get the template should probably rethink if they are in the right server. I'm a server owner myself and I know for sure that this type of change is healthy for a server especially if your server has a working economy. Players nowadays could have a full netherite set within just a week and will stop playing because they got the most expensive set. Big kudos to whoever thought of this idea. You're on the right path!

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    I think that the crafting costs on the Smithing Templates are too much. The Netherite Upgrade, I understand to a degree, but especially if the Trims are just cosmetic, that seems a bit steep. I echo what Cub said as far as it being kinda weird that Netherite uses this mechanic, but not the other ores. I think one benefit of the Netherite Upgrade mechanic is that it does preserve the enchantments on the armour. I wonder if we could introduce other upgrades into this as well, such as a Gold to Iron and Iron to Diamond upgrades. They could also be found in thematically appropriate locations. It might also be nice if the trims would transfer over instead of having to retrim when doing an upgrade. I wonder if there could also be a Netherite Upgrade crafting recipe that doesn't involve Bastions. Not all players want to engage in combat. So if there was a way to get it via mining or something, might be a good feature. 

    Bottom line: I think it's a little expensive. I feel like they Netherite Upgrade and the trims should be slightly more common/easier to craft, especially if we'll likely want to trim 4 pieces of gear. I think that limiting the upgrade to bastions is too narrow-focused and may be a problem on SMP servers. 

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    I like the change in how it adds an extra step before getting netherite and makes diamond last longer, but I have concerns over the scarcity on Multiplayer servers (especially those with world borders). I'd also prefer this to not be consumed on use, unlike the trims

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    I think this will make things so much harder for people who play on servers.

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    My concern is on servers with pre-set world limits. Having these bastion only on worlds that could potentially have all the bastions pre-explored might end up with no one being able to upgrade to netherite gear. It might be a good idea to have an expensive way to craft all these different armor trims as well. Maybe allow the player to create the smithing templates with 7 diamonds + 1 netherite ingot + whatever one they're trying to craft. I know for a fact I won't be able to get the woodland manner one on the world I play since there's no manner in the 12k by 12k world. It'd be nice to incorporate an expensive override for the templates for worlds like that. Thanks!

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    I actually love the idea itself. I just think that 7 diamonds for the template duping recipes is a little much...

    To be honest I wouldn't have a problem with that if diamonds were renewable in *some* way, like maybe fishing in one of the cave biomes. But I feel like the recipe is there to help these be renewable and they... still aren't. Since diamonds aren't renewable. Keeping that in mind, having to actually go mine and find 7 diamonds at a time to make one extra template is a little much. Maybe upgrade templates should cost 7 diamonds, and trim templates should be less?

    Also, being able to use glow ink somehow in the trim mechanic to make the trim "glow" (visible in the dark) would be really cool.

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    I don’t think we need this update at all really, it is just going to make Minecraft harder then it needs to be and I think the mining is enough, I don’t want to search 8 different bastions just to upgrade my gear

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    I love the idea of a smithing template, but I think the template should be reusable. In all manner of fabrication, templates are used to ensure accuracy and reliable reproduction from the first item to the last. By design, templates are used and reused over and over to ensure accuracy of production. If I find 1 upgrade template, this should be enough to upgrade all my tools and armor, as I will still need to locate ancient debris in high enough numbers to create enough netherite ingots to make all the conversions. Getting 20 ingots is hard enough, let alone also needing a new template for each piece to be upgraded. Make the templates reusable.

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    As someone who's played since Beta, Netherite armor doesn't really add much to the game besides tools with extra durability and 1 extra damage on the sword. If the devs want to increase the cost of Netherite, that's fine, but it needs to have additional benefits. The lava immunity is a gimmick, and while it's nice for use in the nether, it doesn't really matter that much anywhere else.If you're increasing cost, I'd like to see increased benefit or want to use it.

    However, as an upgrade mechanic - it feels like this opens the door for extra branching diamond upgrades down the line (e.g. Enderite Smithing Template, etc). I think that is extremely promising, I would just like to see Netherite buffed in some way with this additional cost.

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    You just know there's going to be that guy who joins a new server, grabs up all the netherite upgrade templates, and hoards them, sells them at outrageous prices, or destroys them for the lolz. Sure that can be mitigated by kind admins regen'ing the bastions but that's such a pain.
    I would much rather they were available through crafting, trading, or a rare drop from a naturally spawning mob (or maybe the Wither so it's harder to farm). Otherwise, having the upgrade itself, as long as it's not something one lousy player can lock the rest of the server out of, seems like a decent addition for the sake of balance (though tbh, as a player who gets to the endgame as fast a possible so I can start playing the part I actually like, it would just be extra grind... but I wouldn't hate it).

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    I really thought this change was great, it will make netherite no longer so "easy" to obtain, it gives a new utility to the bastions and in turn encourages players to explore the world. With this change I felt more balanced and did not leave so opaque diamond armor and other materials.

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    It is great that diamonds finally have new purpose. Honestly, when i am playing I trade diamond armor from villagers, i trade enchantments from villagers, quick travel to the nether, obtaining ancient debris and i am op for the rest of gameplay. Now i have a motivation to looking for this precious ore and explore nether more. Netherite equipment is end game staff so i have no problem that now it is harder to obtain. For me it can be that we can't craft a netherite tempate or base stone for that shouldn't be netherrack but harder block to obtain for example gilded blackstone or ancient debris. Using gold trims on the full netherite armor set to preventing anger in piglins it is to easy and make gold armor less important in the game.

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    I for one love the new change to making netherite as it makes the process a lot more time consuming. I love getting netherite right now but once I finished I wish I can keep going.

    With the introduction of the new template this will make the bastions worth going to and that’s fantastic! While I think needing 7 diamonds to copy the template is a little much, (maybe 5 or 3 diamonds would be better) it gives more of a unique challenge regardless.

    Interested in how you will likely change it as I think kingbdogs mentioned netherite tools will get a change soon. This update is looking to be a good one!!

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    This change makes netherite tools not worth it given you could craft 3 diamond picks instead. (Netherite tools only advantage over diamond is the durability) Maybe you could buff the mining speed for netherite tools aditionally, giving you the abbility to insta-mine deepslate and endstone?

    For the armor I belive this is pretty balanced given you most of the time inly need one set. 

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    I think the upgrade template is great! I love how it encourages exploration and gets the player to spend more time with their diamond gearset before "replacing" it. I don't like how the upgrades are single-use though, at least in the way that the item is deleted after use. I think it is currently very easy to accidentally use your upgrade without duplicating it, especially if you've just obtained one for the first time. A repairable "used" or "broken" state, similarly to the Elytra, should fix this.

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    Bastions are pretty annoying to loot so I'm not partial to this new requirement.

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    I think the recipe for the upgrade should be 3-4, I get the trims being 7 because their more of a status symbol then practical and just a way to use all those diamonds, and while netherite was a little too easy to obtain before, now it's just too hard, Netherite isn't worth almost 2 stacks of diamonds (assume the upgrades are rare enough where duplicating is something you guys implemented to make it easier) and thats only for 1 set! Most players who play late game make multiple sets and also there are probably players who want netherite but don't want to grind that much for it.

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    I personally love this change as it provides actual purpose to the Bastion Remnants while also providing more reason to explore the Nether. In addition, having more uses for diamonds is great as well and it fulfills the purpose of having players spend more time in the diamond tier rather than simply upgrading to full Netherite early on in the game. Simply said, it feels great to have more planned progression in the game.

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    I think this change is for the worse. Getting netherite was already a grindy and a little bit boring activity. I know this change is to make it rarer and to use the diamond armor and tools a little longer but I think this is poorly executed. Bastions are a somewhat rare structure and having no guaranteed netherite upgrade in them just makes the process a lot more time consuming which doesn’t necessarily mean is challenging and/or rewarding. Also duplicating the item is way too expensive and therefore time consuming too and not in a good way. I think a grindy game is not fun, this type of RNG just makes getting netherite armors and tools a chore. I understand that some players want a challenge but I think this doesn’t do it, getting netherite was already a long process. Please change it back

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    Everything is perfect in the game just the graphics on bedrock please some type of graphics news or updates that’s all I been really waiting to hear from u guys hopefully something will come soon the super duper graphics pack was perfect but thank u for all the hard work on this game that I will never ever forget about.

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    Why don't you add a setting to keep the new netherite recipe because it seems like 60% of people want the recipe and 40% of people don't want it

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    The requirement to go to a bastion for netherite is cool but they aren’t common enough in chests. Unless you get super unlucky you should be able to get at least one per bastion and they should be guaranteed in bridge bastions sense they don’t have many chests. They should also be more common in stables chests sense stables bastions are currently pretty bad

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    I think that you shouldn’t need a netherite ingot aswell as the upgrader. I think that just the upgrader is fine.

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    With this added cost to netherite gear it became even harder to maintain netherite armour and tools without the mending enchantment. Since EVEN more dimmonds are required to make netherite gear they should be fixable in an anvil with dimmonds

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    I don't know if this would be too hard of a thing to add to the game, but instead of making us look trought bastion after bastion to find the templates, make so that in addition to being able to find them in chests the upgrade template can also be obtained by bathering with Piglins that are in bastions!

    This would make them more accessible for players in servers or people that are having a hard time finding more than one bastion!