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Let's talk about the most recent snapshot (22w24a)

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    Balancing Allay duplication:

    Currently it feels a bit too cheap. I get the reasoning that they should be renewable for technical players, but many technical players (including myself) have the same concern that it is too easy. It also lowers the value of mansions and outposts yet again.

    Here are some simple fixes to make it more balanced:

    • Change shards to amethyst clusters, they seem more magical (and musical) than shards. Renewable but not too easy to obtain.
    • Only 1 or 2 specific discs should be allowed to be used. This is because discs like Cat and 13 are too easy to find, every dungeon chest has them.
    • If that's not possible, at least make it so that discs 11, 13 and 5 can't be used, as they are not "music".
    • Give it a longer cooldown, say once every 10 mins, or once every Minecraft day.
    • Just make it breeding instead of duplicating. Even though they're magical fairies, it makes sense: they're free, you're playing music that they dance to, so there's no reason why they can't breed two by two like other mobs. This makes them consistent with every other overworld mob. This also lowers the exponential increase you get by duplicating single allays (2^n versus 1.5^n)
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    Can you fix cave biomes based on this planetminecraft datapack called better cave gen

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    And drop mandatory censorship

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    The Player Chat Reporting feature, as presented, is a terrible idea on almost every level. It creates a ton of work for Mojang, it's ridiculously ripe for abuse by bad actors, and it violates the very concept of a private server as a space controlled by the person running it.

    Chat messages being reported directly to Mojang, especially without any input from the server owner, is ripe for abuse in a dozen ways. What constitutes acceptable conduct is often highly context-sensitive, and you are going to have no context whatsoever for these reports because private servers are neither owned, operated, nor controlled by Mojang. What is and is not acceptable behavior on a private server can and should be determined solely by the owner of that server, as they're the only ones who possess the necessary context to make that judgement.

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    Looking at what people say on Reddit, Discord and other, the community's reaction to this is negative.

    Mojang does not have the right/need/ability to moderate decentralised comminities' chat. Each server has their own community and rules, that's the selling point of Java Edition - and trying to plug a centralized set of rules and moderation into it will ruin everything. There also are obvious concerns on how the system will work. quoting:

    • Will the option to be able to report someone be a mandatory thing in any multiplayer servers that use authentication (as they should)?

    • Will the server owner get to have a word on report outcomes first?

    • What exactly is the moderation policy on reported chat messages?

    • How can you be sure chat messages are not reported completely out of context, willfully leaving out important information that would put seemingly harassing messages into a completely different light?

    Moderation should belong to server admins, as it always did, not Mojang/Microsoft. Not even saying that the punishment for a few bad words on a private server may be a game-wide permanent ban without appeal - don't you think that's a bit too much? There have been cases of this.

    There is a lot more feedback at the Reddit post for the snapshot - more concerns, more dislike, even suggestions of alternative systems. This is where most of the feedback on the topic is.

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    Please consider make the report function only available in realm, or at least make 3-rd party servers opt-in. Community management should be dedicated to each server, at least each 3-rd party server should be able to opt-out of centralized chat monitoring. No player want to be banned for profanity in a mature server.

    I would suggest to make chat report toggleable each server, and to meet some regulations, verified underage accounts could be unable to join servers that toggled chat reports off.

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    I'll be honest here, reporting players on privately run servers is probably the worst idea you've had since forcing everyone to make a Microsoft account. I really hope this was added just to see the community reactions and won't make it into the final build.

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    On the topic of chat reporting:

    TL;DR: I'm OK with moderation but not with Big Brothers.

    To start with, we definitely need more context as to how this feature actually works. What exactly happens if someone gets reported? How are the reports reviewed? Are there punishments? If so, what can they be? Are there measures to prevent abuse of this mechanism?

    Next, the idea that Mojang employees moderate every 1.19.1 server out there is scary. If a server is hosted by Mojang (like Realms), sure. But 3rd party servers? That would be very wrong. Please say it ain't so. Please let such communities have their own moderation. (Also, if there should be many reports you guys would need a lot of work-hours to go through all of them.)

    By the way, similar things can be said about the text filtering feature. It currently only works on Realms and can be toggled - that is good.

    Please do not think I dislike moderation and players' safety - I don't. I am just a little afraid.

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    Player-ran Minecraft servers were originally indented to be their own separate thing, completely ran and managed by their respective owner. Now you guys want to moderate chats for servers that you don't even own. We will see a sharp increase in cracked servers, if this is gonna be on the final build.

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    looking at what you have said so far about chat reporting is scary. Minecraft has thrived for years due to it trusting its players, giving them creative control over every aspect of your game, and giving them the responsibilities that come with them. moderation of 3rd party servers, be them minigame based, anarchy or just between a few friends is honestly disgusting. 

    Mojang, you have done so much good for the game. please don't ruin the multiplayer experience now. let communities moderate themselves, as they always have.

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    I'm strongly against this reporting system. Bans should be up to the owners of servers, realms, etc. Mojang, microsoft, or bots should not moderate players. You can't expect players to report honestly; if toxic players don't like you & mass-report you, what happens then? A ban from ALL multiplayer games forever? False bans & censorship are a BIG issue in Bedrock already.

    I like the Allay duplication, though. They tend to die, get lost, and there's just not enough of them especially in multiplayer. Mansions & outposts are still useful to travel to; to get the Allay in the first place. But players shouldn't be forced to keep exploring more & more mansions to get Allays.

    There's a problem with exploration in Minecraft, especially in Bedrock. Exploration can create gigabytes of file size bloat, and mobile/console have disk space limitations. Large file sizes can also lag & crash the game.

    I really want exploration to be infinite in Minecraft worlds, keeping players hooked on adventure. If we add temporary, roguelike, randomly generated dimensions that resets after clearing it, exploration can truly be infinite. The 2020 april fools update had strong potential, and it will fit well in ender dimension updates! You can even add bosses at the end of these dimensions. I wouldn't mind searching for extremely rare stuff, if I can explore infinitely!

    Amethyst should have even more uses in the future. Magic staff, spells? End dimension should introduce new system, like Nether potions.

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    This is scary. Chat moderation on private servers just seems absolutely insane and will not work, if it works the way I think it does. The idea isn’t bad but the execution is what concerns me. Reporting chats to Mojang for review whereby a suitable punishment (whatever that may be) is or is not issued by Mojang is crazy. I get that there are requirements for better safety for players as Minecraft is a game played by a wide age range of people but this is not the way. If this was a tool that allowed reports to go to the owners and moderators of private servers then sure, absolutely, but going directly to Microso… Mojang is crazy. And my concern is just that, Microsoft. First we had account migration (which was a very bad move in my opinion) and now we are having this new feature introduced and it just stinks of Microsoft forcing changes onto the game. This is more concerning when you consider the number of reports that this terrible system is going to generate as there is no way there will be manual review of every single report and instead the bulk of the work will be pushed onto an auto moderation system with a manual review of disputes or something. The only way to make this work is to have the ability to disable this system on a per server basis, and have an option in the server to allow server owners to review the reports instead of pushing them directly to Mojang. Otherwise just scrap the whole thing.
    I suspect I’m talking into a void here however…

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    I'm not a fan of the player chat reporting, I do believe that its important to feel safe online but at the same time freedom to run privately owned servers is important.

    A good compromise would be the same system used on realms where the profanity filter can be toggled, except instead of the basic profanity filter its the whole reporting system (or parts of it), this allows server owners to make their public servers a safe space while letting privately owned servers be ran however we wish.

    To make sure people are aware of a server's reporting system it would be good to warn players when joining a server that has this functionality turned off, and maybe even blocking child accounts from joining unmoderated servers.

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    "We want to hear your feedback on this"

    If this is true, we should not see anything related to chat reporting in next week's snapshot. This chat happens on third party servers, not Mojang/Microsoft's servers, and you are not responsible for what happens there, nor should you make that the case.

    The chat reporting feature is a great idea otherwise, and I would personally love to see something like it that sends reports to server owners instead of Mojang, with the option to escalate the report to Mojang available to the owners if the content of the reported message needs it. Reporting a single message to Mojang removes a lot of context that is only available to server owners, and that should change the outcome of the report.

    If it's too late and the feature will not be removed, a good middle ground is having the option to opt in/opt out of chat reporting in the server properties file, or the option for chat bans to take effect or not for individual servers. While the main demographic of this game might be younger (Which is arguably somewhat less of a problem with Java compared to Bedrock), private servers serve their own separate demographics, and while a single chat message might be offensive, the context that it was sent in might permit these messages. Additionally, it can result in a lot of abuse and mass-reporting, and we can't be sure how that is going to be handled.

    We really hope that our reception of this update has been clear, and that you can take our feedback seriously.

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    Firstly, the method of getting new allays at the moment is a bit too easy and defeats the purpose of finding a mansion. Maybe if the allays are only renewable in the mansions it would give more reasons to visit the mansions, or if allays can't be found in pillager outpost. Either way, it should force a player to seek out a mansion to start.

    As for the chat reporting system, I'm quite a bit worried about what that will mean for multiplayer servers. I think it might be a good idea if there was an opt out system where the chat could be censored for a player when entering general multiplayer server (chat and signs could be censored for the players that have this censor on, but not for players who have it off), but I think in terms of what is said and behaviors on multiplayer servers, that should be up to the server moderators.

     

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    the report player feature should only exist on mojang hosted servers, put it on any third party server and it will be abused to death, you know how many alts some people have? how about anarchy servers, this is literally limiting free speech and free will of ruling on third party server and there's no way this will get through the player base without major restrictions and reworks, lately mojang's failure to handle new features has only made the players more united to speak out and this time it will be no different

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    My opinion on chat reporting.

    This is a good feature for servers having to use external report plugins, but there should be a option in server.properties to disable it for the current server, as the external report plugins have options for chat and cheating reports. Alongside that what will be the punishment if someone gets reported? The current external plugin solution is far better than what you may do as it is per server and not in all servers.

    This is the reason why most of the people hate this.
    This should be a configurable option.

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    I had seen the new chat reporting feature and I am worried about players trying to abuse it.  I know there are a lot of terrible things online and it could be a good thing- but if a ton of reports are filed, I am worried that fully investigating each one may not be possible. 

    According to the Community Standards, "If there’s a chat function available in a game or on a website, be mindful of other people’s experience. This includes avoiding excessive posting or spamming. Also, all-caps is often read as YELLING! And yelling at someone is usually not very nice."

    Could typing a message in all caps be reported for the "bullying or harassment" category?  What if someone accidentally hit the caps lock key?  If there's a large number of reports would moderators actually be able to investigate all of them? If it's done automatically, how would you prevent it from being abused?

    Overall, I feel like this system could be a good thing to help protect people online, but it comes down to the implementation of it.

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    Chat reporting is a good idea, but only if the messages are going to server admins/mods, not Microsoft.

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    The chat reporting system seems solid in principle - but both myself and many other server owners are concerned about the vague implementation and rules.

    How will this work? Will it be a simple config option that we can turn off, or will it be forced on? If it is a config option, will it prevent certain players from joining? What kind of punishments will be implemented?

    For me and many others, the beauty of Java edition is the freedom for server owners to be able to create their own communities, moderate it as they see fit, and run things how they want. I think this is a big step backwards and brings Java edition closer to the locked-down, microsoft-ran bedrock edition.

    If this was purely a move to prevent child exploitation, I would be behind it and I think everyone else would be too - but policing profanity and talking about drugs and alcohol is one of the dumbest moves in the game in recent times.

    I really hope that this is just to gauge the community response, and that this feature seriously isn't going to be implemented.

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    NO, no chat moderation from microsoft, server owner SHOULD BE the only one choosing how to run their server.

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    I understand the censorship being a feature designed for public servers. But it has no place on private servers. A potential fix is to just make it an opt-in inside the server.properties. That way, servers who want this have it as an option while others who don't want it aren't forced to make workarounds to stop it being an issue.

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    Do not like this chat reporting thing at all.

    It's going to ruin 3rd-party multiplayer servers (basically non-Realms). It may not seem terrible now, but what does this mean for the future? How many more Microsoft-moderated features are going to be added to "ensure the safety of players on Minecraft."

    Some servers aren't even public and are just for friends, all it takes is one bad/angry/joking friend to report you, and POOF, you're gone (I assume the punishment would be a mute or ban of some kind across all of Minecraft).

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    Oh no, this feature is a perfect recipe for a disaster. I can see so, so many unfair bans because of this feature, from major servers like Hypixel to small privately run SMPs for group of my friends for example, not to mention servers like 2b2t (which granted, are toxic, but forced moderation like this will obliterate the entire playerbase, no matter if the offending players are actually edgy or offensive).

    If y'all want to add this into the game then fine, go ahead, but you must make it optional and indenpendent from Mojang/Microsoft moderation, like have the reports sent to the Server Owner and other designated players so they can deal with the reports as they see fit, or else as I said before, tiny private servers and huge public ones alike are gonna experience what I would call "literally 1984".

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    Chat reporting is a horrible idea.

    Moderation on community servers should be left up to the server owners. I don't want Microsoft's awful AI moderating my private server. I have my own rules, as do all community servers.

    I'm sincerely hoping this is just going to be for Realms. That information seems to have been intentionally left out.

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    The chat report/logging feature is an awful idea, and I would like to express my dissent/concerns about it as a server owner of 5-6 years. My server is completely above board, has a friendly community and support staff, and respects the EULA. Me and my staff team work every day to foster a safe community where these things aren't an issue. Slurs and sexual harassment receive an instant perm-ban, and other harassment/flaming is taken very seriously and often met with a temporary ban or mute if we cannot resolve the issue in an amicable manner.

    What this planned chat moderation feature essentially means is that MOJANG will be moderating my server for me, and deciding what is okay inside MY community. As previously stated we do a VERY good job of preventing hatred and inappropriate chat topics, so this feels like something of a slap in the face to the freedom that Minecraft usually allows. If this is going to exist it NEEDS to be a toggle which you can opt out of. I can also see this being a go to option for people to gang up on a player and try to get them banned without any proper review or context of what really happened. Your content moderation teams aren't on my server, so what makes you think they have the ability to accurately moderate ANY reported messages without context. Not to mention the headache this is going to cause for me with ban appeals that I can't do anything about and have no knowledge of.

    This is a stupid decision. Please don't do it. We're not Roblox.

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    I've read that this new snapshot implements a bug known as "Chat report". I hope the developers fix this horrible glitch!

    Seriously though, no. This topic shouldn't even be a discussion argument. I, and only MYSELF decide what is ammissible on my server, as long as it is legal. Otherwise, the police must intervent. NOT Mojang nor Microsoft.

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    I am totally against this as a server owner. I am the person to moderate my server NOT MOJANG. I decide what is tolerated on my server and what is not.

    Do whatever you want on realms on whatever, do not touch private servers.


    This should be opt-in, not opt-out by the way if mojang ever thinks its a good idea (its not).

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    While I get the need for moderation, the Player Chat Reporting feature is not a good idea, and I (and probably a lot of others) would like it removed or overhauled.
    Only the server owners/admins should have control over what is allowed and what isn't on their private server.

    It doesn't really matter what punishment a reported player gets, this system doesn't make sense and would be hugely abused.

    • Players could get mass-reported
    • Well-known people could get targeted
    • Chat messages could be faked with server-side plugins and mods

    And don't tell me the reports will be each reviewed, with so many players playing Minecraft, in no way reports won't be just glanced over or automated. And false positives can always happen.

    Now, I don't know what would the reported player get, I can only hope nothing major, if they get punished at all, or just put on a "baddie-list". I hope it's not something like banning people from playing the game altogether, that would be terrible for the playerbase.

    While I could see this system work well on Realms, this really shouldn't be implemented on servers ran by individuals. They should be the only ones at charge of moderation, not Mojang or Microsoft.

    However, the reporting UI could stay and instead of the reports going to Mojang or Microsoft, they could go to server owners and admins somehow. I think it would be a great change to the system.

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    Server reporting is completely 100% not okay and is a breach of server privacy, I should be allowed to admin my server how I want to, and the idea of being reported for "profanity" on my server, for my community, and having Microsoft/Mojang look at it and "take action" is completely unacceptable, I have moderators that look at reports made using systems in my server to take appropriate action in regards to my community and my rules, and having that action taken away from me, I might as well not even be running the server. This should be an option you can disable in server config for scenarios such as these.