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Revert the 26.2-pre-2 changes on Attribute Swapping

On the latest snapshot you can no longer quickly swap from one item to another and retain its attributes/use case. This change not only patched PvP techniques (breach swapping, lunge swapping, ...) used by tens if not hundreds of thousands of players, but it also makes performing actions quickly much more difficult.

For example, a use case of the previous item switching system was a technique often referred to as 'Breach Swapping'. By holding a fully charged Netherite Sword with an attribute of 8 attack damage you would quickly switch to a Mace with the Breach IV enchantment and click. What this would do is take the attack damage of the sword and practically apply it to the Mace, making the Mace deal the sword's damage while retaining its properties of performing smash attacks and being enchanted with breach.

This 'bug' is no longer simply an error in the game's code, as its been in the game for so long that it has been accepted by players as a staple of the game rather than a problem that needs to be fixed.

This still stands after 26.2-pre-3, since they claim that Attribute Swapping will be patched in future snapshots.

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    I don't think this is a good change; in terms of gameplay the effect of this will be that every action is twice as slow as previously. That is the effective change. The upper limit of speed for placing blocks, for interactions, for hitting, for any mechanic in the game regarding the hotbar and the attack/use keys/mouse clicks is now going to be twice as slow.

    "The order in which inputs are processed has changed from HOTBAR -> ATTACK -> USE to ATTACK -> USE -> HOTBAR, meaning every swap now carries an unavoidable 50ms delay before any action can occur... On 30ms ping, players ghost around 60% of their inputs... All input types relating to hotbar swaps are now essentially forced to carry a significant and game killing ammount [sic] of delay" - Diamond SMP Discord, deraxolotlghg (Tier List Admin)

    I hope you know this'll impact everyone negatively due to the increased time and ghosting issues, but particularly Speedrunners and PVPers, who currently compose some of the fastest growing and most competitive parts of the Minecraft community. Please deal with the issue you see in a different way that doesn't make everything twice as slow to do.

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    Attribute swapping is an awesome feature and shouldn't be removed.

    It affects lots of game mechanics and it's really useful in general. Sometimes "bugs" can be features if the game community like them.
    And in this case most of the community loves this attribute swapping mechanic

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    this lit determans the future of minecraft pvp ppl have been building muscle memmory with fast shield disables insta carting stum slamming many more other techniques tht require attribute swapping changing it is so pointless and ruins so many gamemodes like cart or crystal mace too js basic pvp like axe is ruined beacuse u cant stumm shields or fast shield disable or hitweb in uhc or diamond smp this changes everything mojang please listen to ur community and revert it back how it was please :)

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    Yes

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    Stuns too.

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    Yes, attribute swapping is a bug. But is it game breaking? Some people say that it is overpowered outright broken because of combos such as extending mace reach, stunslams, and other techniques using this bug. However, in reality, it is not as overpowered as they think. Attribute swapping, especially the more complicated ones, will require a higher skill ceiling. Just a normal mace swap will be a lot easier than a stun slam, considering macros are illegal and considered cheating. Even though in theory it can be outright unfair, in reality, it is only those who sweat, grind, and sacrifice touching grass who are able to achieve these "overpowered" techniques. 

    The removal of attribute swapping also destroys casual play because it effectively renders the "overpowered" weapons useless. The mace? The cooldown is so long it's not worth using against normal mobs. Lunge Spear? Elytra is faster and more efficient, in addition to the Spear's damage being pathetic. As a result, it raises the skill ceiling for survival players, and even hurts the speedrunning community because everything is slower and inconsistent. 

    This patch not only lowers the skill ceiling of PVP, but also raises the skill ceiling for casual play, diluting intense PVP battles, while making survival a lot more of a nescience. Mojang, this patch is not only hurting the PVP community, but the Minecraft community as a whole. So, as someone who loved Minecraft since forever, I ask of you to please undo this mistake. 

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    It makes no sense to remove attribute swapping. It harms no one. While I understand that attribute swapping does break the intended limits of combat, this fix should have been implemented years before an entire PvP community grew around learning techniques around this bug. I am reminded of two other instances that are similar to this. In 1.21.4, changes were made to player movement, that, while they technically fixed player movement, upset the player base and the parkour community especially. The original mechanics, while being a bug, barely had any negative effect on the non-technical players. The other instance I can recall is quasi-connectivity. It's a feature that the more technical players have relied on for years and therefore was not removed. Removing attribute swapping is the same thing. It's been around for so long that removing it upsets PvP. Please understand the community's displeasure with this change and revert it!

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    Why MOJANG WHY WHY DID YOU DO THIS TO ME IM NEVER PLAYING AGAIN SO ARE MY FRIENDS AND A LOT OTHER PEOPLE WHY MINECRAFT WHY THIS IS GOING TO MAKE MINECRAFT DEAD AGAIN!

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    ADD THIS AS A FEATURE LIKE THE NETHER ROOF PLEASE

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    I won't stand for this. Voted!

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    Many are saying the Sorry Citizens of Sweden may have made one of the WORST UPDATES in MINECRAFT HISTORY. I THINK NOT. We Will Be Reverting This VERY Soon!... BAD!

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    its part of the game whether they like it or not, pvp would be so different its not even funny

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    bring back tick swap it makes pvp trash

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    now you have to wait 1.15 seconds plus the cooldown to get the spear ready 

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    you can't just get us obsessed with something and take it away from us mojang

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    Attribute swapping isn’t and has never been a problem, there’s no reason to change it.

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    It's true, it's true that it is a bug, but hasn't mojang kept several bugs in the games I'm the past?
    The entire community will be mad if this happens and modern pvp will just END. People who just used to pvp like me wi just STOP playing Minecraft
    Dont do this please

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    dude PLEASEEE KEEP ATTRIBUTE SWAPPING

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    dude this even affects insta carting in cart pvp

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    I think i speak for every single pvp community when i say: BRING BACK ATTRIBUTE SWAPPING!
    It has been a part of the game for many many years now and its an essential part of nearly every pvp gamemode like mace, spear mace, axe, smp, uhc etc. and it was never a bug for the community it was more like a feature.
    Not only did this whole attribute swap removal make attribute swap impossible but its also impossible to insta cart in cart pvp and in other gamemodes like crystal it DOUBLES the time it takes to swap and place a crystal and shield stunning is gone too.
    Why would you remove a bug everybody liked and make the whole game slower? You added a 50ms cooldown for switching inventory slots to make the game less skill or something?
    I think Mojang should stop treating the pvp community so bad as if we weren‘t 1/3 or more of the whole playerbase.

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    this is hell please dont remove attribute swapping

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    this genuinely ruins pvp if its taken out, we need a petition for this bro

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    this doesnt just affect attribute swapping it also makes quickly doing multiple things with different items  slower so it affects clutching, cpvp, speedrunning, etc. pls mojang revert itttttt

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    attribute swap fix is suck

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    L MINECRAFT

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    It also makes it harder to do simple tasks like pearl catching, which can be seen in Voyeo's video

     

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    The only positive I see for this is that it prevents people from spamming a spear to escape fights all the time but let’s be honest, if it wasn’t spear it would be pearls or elytra.

    I feel like this is one of the times they need to look at the community, the ratio of people for this change vs against it is really really low.

    Basically attribute swapping has zero negative effect on people just playing the game peacefully, even helps them with some things, whereas it has an extremely detrimental effect on people who’ve spent countless hours honing their skills in the current PvP metas.

    This also pretty much ruins mace PvP btw, it’s rare to get a fully charged mace slam on someone which is why we resort to a-swapping.

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    MOJANG I AM A SPEAR-MACE TIER THREE AND I AM GRINDING THREE MONTHS AND AND MASTERED ATTRIBUTE SWAP SO THIS UPDATE WILL RUIN OUR EFFORTS AND NOT ONLY FOR ME PLAYERS LIKE KHALIH AND DOLPHIN AND ATTRIBUTE SWAP WAS A PART OF THEIR GAMEPLAY SO WE REQUEST TO BRING IT

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    mojang, stop being a bum

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    Yes, by removing this 'bug', Minecraft will have ruined the lives of hundreds of thousands of PvPer's who believe this as a crucial technique.

    If you aren't a PvPer, then you wouldn't care, but for the people who DO care, I belive attribute swapping should be brought back.