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Revert the 26.2-pre-2 changes on Attribute Swapping

On the latest snapshot you can no longer quickly swap from one item to another and retain its attributes/use case. This change not only patched PvP techniques (breach swapping, lunge swapping, ...) used by tens if not hundreds of thousands of players, but it also makes performing actions quickly much more difficult.

For example, a use case of the previous item switching system was a technique often referred to as 'Breach Swapping'. By holding a fully charged Netherite Sword with an attribute of 8 attack damage you would quickly switch to a Mace with the Breach IV enchantment and click. What this would do is take the attack damage of the sword and practically apply it to the Mace, making the Mace deal the sword's damage while retaining its properties of performing smash attacks and being enchanted with breach.

This 'bug' is no longer simply an error in the game's code, as its been in the game for so long that it has been accepted by players as a staple of the game rather than a problem that needs to be fixed.

This still stands after 26.2-pre-3, since they claim that Attribute Swapping will be patched in future snapshots.

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    make attribute swapping work otherwise the new verson sucks

     

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    if they get rid of attribute I bet hundreds of players will just stay in 26.1 or under

     

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    This will completely destroy the minecraft 1.21+ pvp community

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    If this is getting removed pvp is dead

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    Attribute swapping is an important part of many multiple gamemodes(ex: Axe pvp, mace pvp, etc.). Removing this is practically destroying part of the minecraft pvp community. Also, we've seen many bugs actually become features such as the nether roof. So, I don't see anything wrong with keeping attribute swapping.

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    This attribute swap patch is probably the worst patch ever. Alright mojang its your game whatever, but if youre not trying to lose players, then add attribute swap back.

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    now they are just doing the exact same thing that they did in 1.9 - a LOT of people will stay in older versions if they remove attribute swapping, the whole pvp community

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    I think they should make it a game rule instead a lot of the Minecraft community in based around PvP especially with unstable life steal bliss and other being so big at the moment I think this change will definitely be for the worst but making it a game rule will make both sides happy

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    Removing attribute swapping is a monumental mistake on Mojang's end and unnecessarily alienates millions upon millions of players. Attribute swapping has become a firmly engrained aspect of Minecraft PVP and its removal would cause a significant amount of this game's skill expression to simply disappear. This change would affect mace and spear like others have mentioned but also any game mode that includes a shield, that being nearly all of them. A change this large could cause a rift in versions akin to the 1.8 to 1.9 split. I see no reason that attribute swapping should be removed as other bugs that have been engrained into Minecraft to the same extent remain. The two best examples of this I can think of off the top of my head are quasi connectivity and tnt dupers. I urge Mojang to realize the gravity of this decision and revert these changes. 

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    Community is split with this change .The best way to fix this is to make it a gamerule that is off by default, just so server owners can pick what their players prefer . But as dafault i feel like removal of this bug is fair

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    Please don't make this really happen, attribute swapping has became a large part of pvp and is not even that big of a game breaker, for breach swapping you can use turtle master which is a otherwise mostly unused potion, it's also one of the key factors why i use breach 4 with wind burst usually, please don't ruin pvp like this

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    As someone who practices Mace and Spear/Mace pvp, this is a terrible idea. HOURS of work put in to learning how to lungeswap, stun slam and breachswap, this would not only remove all of my progress, but the progress of thousands of players worldwide.

    MC Tiers, one of the most notable pvp sites, shows that tens of thousands of people have tier tested for mace, smp, and UHC kits, the most notable for attribute swapping. If this patch was to be added, it would ruin the kits, as well as likely hurt the gameplay of those who developed a second sense for attribute swapping.

    The spear and mace already have their downsides, even with attribute swapping. missing with a mace leaves you exposed, which can be a good position for an opponent to land a hit of their own. lunging with a spear drains hunger, and getting that back mid combat is not easy. They already have aspects behind them that make attribute swapping a balanced mechanic, and even though its powerful, It is still vital to keeping the pvp industry alive.

    Without attribute swapping, kits like mace, uhc, and smp would become more frustrating to play. Spear/mace would go extinct, and all other kits that are yet to come will loose a significant amount of power behind them.

    Make the right choice, keep one of the largest minecraft communities alive. We do not agree with each other often, but right now, we have all united to keep a bug in the game that should ALWAYS have been a feature.

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    if they remove it they basically lose 300k+ players they would be really dumb to do it

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    The minecraft developers have no connection to the pvp community and they'd never acknowledge them for some bizarre reason. If only they reach out to the members of this sub community things would be so much better

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    Attribute swapping has revolutionized mace and spear pvp. It has shaped today's pvp genre and it must not be removed. Attribute swapping is not easy to master and thousands of players have put hours upon hours mastering it.

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    Do u know what that means. No more shield disables by swapping from sword to axe which completely breaks smp pvp. no more stun slams with the mace. No more breach swap with the mace. No more dashing with the spear. We will be at bone-bottom

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    I'm pretty sure it has become a core part of the game and PvP now, I wouldn't even consider it a bug.

    The vote to keep the changes will kill the spear, the mace, the concept of PvP.

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    Pvp cooked now

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    I think attribute swapping really became the meta and took over all other PvP tactics. When this get's removed players will be forced to get creative and find new ways to play. This will keep the community fresh with new tactics and maybe even new gamemodes. I think mojang know what they are doing, maybe not for this reason, but they are doing this for a reason for sure.

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    removing attribute swapping would ruin mace and spear mace which are ones of the most popular kits in pvp
    it would also harm every shield gamemode because you cant attribute swap to disable anymore

     

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    fuh updates

     

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    this guy 3 above me you are so naive

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    i love spear dashing

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    MOJANG BE FIXING EVERYTHING THE PLAYERS LIKE BUT NOT FIXING BEDROCK TF

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    Mojang has consistently nerfed the mace since its release in 1.21. Reducing its damage, adding cooldowns, yet after nearly two years of players mastering and getting better at advanced techniques like attribute swapping, these techniques are suddenly being labeled as bugs and removed. If Mojang doesn’t revert this, a lot of players may stop using the mace, and it could have a negative impact on the community. It's been out for far too long, not worth it to patch, the "game-breaking glitch" that some people call it. Thousands of players have built their PvP identity around the mace. Removing a two-year-old mechanic won't improve the game - it will just remove a dedicated mace community. Players call it 'too op,' but counters exist - slow falling, cobwebs, and good positioning are accessible for those willing to learn them. This would ruin a large portion of the mace community, and the worst part is that right now, the PVP community is already divided; a portion of the community is below 1.9 and above 1.9. Now it will be split into three sections: one below 1.9, one above 1.9, and one portion above 26.2. People who spent years mastering attribute swapping will leave the mace behind now that the mechanic no longer functions as it did. Beyond this, spear attribute swapping and stun slamming have also been destroyed; the spear will also be less used. This doesn't fix the game; it just kills the communities built around it.

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    By The Way this patch kills ALOT of PvP mechanics it’s not funny:
    Mace PvP - Stun Slamming & Breach Swapping
    Spear PvP - Spear Dashing
    Axe PvP - Shield Disabling
    Crystal PvP - Hit Crystal 
    Anchor PvP - Inconsistent

    These are either Patched or Really Inconsistent to Pull off that it isn’t even worth trying to attempt these mechanics.

    This isn’t a bug, it’s more of a mechanic now.

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    please it breaks just every pvp mechanic which is a big aspect of the game

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    KEEP IT OR IM QUITING 

     

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    pls keep attibute swaping