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Revert the 26.2-pre-2 changes on Attribute Swapping

On the latest snapshot you can no longer quickly swap from one item to another and retain its attributes/use case. This change not only patched PvP techniques (breach swapping, lunge swapping, ...) used by tens if not hundreds of thousands of players, but it also makes performing actions quickly much more difficult.

For example, a use case of the previous item switching system was a technique often referred to as 'Breach Swapping'. By holding a fully charged Netherite Sword with an attribute of 8 attack damage you would quickly switch to a Mace with the Breach IV enchantment and click. What this would do is take the attack damage of the sword and practically apply it to the Mace, making the Mace deal the sword's damage while retaining its properties of performing smash attacks and being enchanted with breach.

This 'bug' is no longer simply an error in the game's code, as its been in the game for so long that it has been accepted by players as a staple of the game rather than a problem that needs to be fixed.

This still stands after 26.2-pre-3, since they claim that Attribute Swapping will be patched in future snapshots.

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    True, breaking the nether roof was also a bug at first but even Mojang is accepting it as a feature now

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    This also effects so much more, like shield disabling from sword to axe, even stunslamming

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    "It's been in the game for a while" is not an argument for keeping a gamebreaking bug. With every new combat addition, there are intended design aspects that are completely devalued by this bug (mace/spear attack speed, mace exclusive access to breach, wooden spear lunging, & way more). In no way should developers have to work around this bug when creating new features just so that they aren't completely devalued by it.

    This is all without mentioning how unbalanced it was as well, specifically with the introduction of the spear letting you breach swap with spear reach AND land a smash attack all in one attack. And the execution barrier could be bypassed with a macro. Attribute swapping has always been a bug, it took Mojang way longer than it should've to fix it, but it should absolutely stay gone.

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    This is a reply to the users message at June 1st 11:11 AM GMT+2 (central eu time) But "being too op in some scenarios for casual players" is not argument to remove it. Many players, including me, sunk several hours into learning the ins and outs of this technique and feels like I'm getting betrayed by the Mojang team. Also servers can decide themselves to patch attribute swapping with a mod. This would also make pvp combat interactions way less skillful, and would lower the skill ceiling a LOT, which is the last thing you would want to do. And attribute swapping is not an easy task, just saying "a macro can do it" is just wrong as using macros is banned on almost every single smp, pvp server- and tierlist. Also I don't tend to understand how some features might be "devalued" by this bug, this only makes certain items more useful. The spear and mace got way more useful with this change and no way did it get devalued at all, more like it increased the use cases.

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    in the code one of the lines reads "case HAND -> this.getLastHandItem(equipmentslot);"
    this code is the reason attribute swapping is able to work and means attribute swapping is a intended feature, never a bug in the first place. this change was bad and should definatly be reverted back to how 26.1.2 worked no snapshot

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    Attribute swapping has been in the game for so long that removing it would actively hurt the game. Especially PvP, without attribute swapping almost all of the higher skill techniques would get removed and the general skill ceiling and fun of that aspect of minecraft would be significantly lowered. So please vote on this so that it wont get removed hopefully..

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    YES

    BRING ATRIBUTE SWAPPING BACK!!!

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    I think, just revert it, everyone's angry about so am I. This changes mostly every pvp style and technique, from stun slamming, breach swapping, reach swapping with a spear and a mace, it makes a very big change. REVERT THIS PATCH

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    The guy who said bring back stunning and remove attributeS is actually braindead bro you cant stun without attribute swapping stunning is useless without attributeS

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    This needs to stay in the game, its a really fun and hard mechanic that feels amazing when you get it for the first time

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    For spear mace !!!!

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    Here's my take, and to sum up alot of what everyone is saying. For those who don't know, attribute swapping is the process of transferring and attributes (durability, cooldown, enchantments etc.) of one item, ex: netherite sword, to another item, ex: breach mace, what this does is transfer the cooldown and damage and enchantments of the sword to the breach mace, so you basically have a sharpness 5 breach 4 sword. However that might sound overpowered.
    Attribute swapping is a core mechanic in minecraft, if you take it away, it's like removing the creeper, even if it wasn't intentional, it is still a wonderful feature. Now, I think this bug should be left alone because if you take it away now, you change minecraft pvp and minigames. Every pvp gamemode with a mace, a spear, or a shield, and other stuff. Not to mention all the smps with advanced player bases that rely on there skill on these gamemodes. And the top players at the pvp tierlists will be devastated since they have spent REAL LIFE MONTHS AND EVEN YEARS training. I think that it should be left alone, that way the more advanced players can enjoy life again. I think it would also be acceptable to make this a feature and a option to change when you make a world (on by default ofc) please whatever you do, DO NOT TAKE AWAY ATTRIBUTE SWAPPING

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    This will ruin 1.9 PvP, i asked a lot of them what they think and out of like 20 people i asked only one person liked this change.

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    YES. Shield breaking is gonna be so much slower if Mojang doesn't revert these changes. so please listen Mojang

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    This would ruin most of minecraft pvp and many thousands of players learned using for example lunge swapping properly and people like me or manepear have gone to a whole different level just by lunge swapping.

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    Yall you need to spread ts on everywhere so that we have a increased chance on getting it back complain on reddit yt insta wherever just do it

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    It has ruined every pvp gamemode, same as what removing stuns did its absolutely horrible theyre js ruining the game atp

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    bring back attribute swapping if mojang cant fix a bug to obtain bedrock in survival.. and also duping is a still a thing so i dont think so the pvp community deserves such harsh changes.. in short just bring back the attribute swap

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    Mace pvp will be completely broken, and lunge will worthless if attribute swapping is removed

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    WE ALL agree on this post,
    This shouldn’t be patched at all
    Patching this is a BAD idea, and this renders most used weapons as useless
    the community has come to love this feature and one of the most used aspect of PVP.

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    Yes, Mojang should definitely revert this terrible change that ruins the experience of millions of people.

  • 30
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    deadass first mojang added spears which changed pvp for a while and now is destroying pvp fully

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    We need to revert this update. It ruins Minecraft PvP, there's no debate

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    True, i think every mace pvp player and cart pvp players , and even other gamemodes are gonna become way worse because of that.

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    I make datapacks that introduce custom items to our server. We implemented a weapon that deals 40 Damage at the cost of a lengthy cooldown, and a weapon that has no cooldown. Attribute Swapping would mean that if you attribute swap between these two weapons, you would bypass the cooldown. The combination of these two weapons would be obscenely powerful, unintentionally.

    We have no good way to fix it. Reverting this change would bring more problems for average minecraft experiences. The average person does not know how to use attribute swapping and the mechanic itself has always been awkward to pull off.

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    Attribute swapping has become a mechanic pvp has built around, and changing it fundamentally breaks pvp into a much less fun and interesting experience. It isn’t reasonable to break parkour movement and then like what was done before, and not do the same here. Please bring back attribute swapping

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    As part of the spear mace community the entire game mode would be unplayable since the fundamental skills wouldn’t work like lunge swapping ,stun slamming ,spear reaching this also goes for the advanced techniques in Any mace game mode, mojang would ruin advanced techniques and undoubtedly make the PvP community significantly smaller ruining the the hours of time and effort players put into perfecting attribute swapping.

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    If they will remove attribute swap im quitting the game

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    the game will die if attribute swapping gets removed.

     

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    bring back attribute swap at all cost it will change Minecraft forever if it doesnt get added back