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Mob Spawning Feedback

We are testing out some changes to the way mobs can spawn in the latest Bedrock beta and Java experimental snapshot, and we want your feedback! The changes currently in experimental are as follows:
  • Monsters will only spawn in complete darkness - this change is being made to balance the player's ability to light up the new larger caves and make them safe from monsters that spawn nearby 
  • Note that this change only affects block-light and not sky-light 
The team would like to know how these changes affect gameplay as you traverse through the new caves. Also, please let us know if this affects any of your existing builds that may rely on the regular light levels to spawn mobs!
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    New changes are great! I saw a comment that talk about the increase light level that mobs can spawn but if this happens:
    1 - Caves are SO big. There are a lot of dark spaces and this will cause serious lag issues because of large amount of entitys. And actually, this will not affect mob amount because as i said before, there is so much dark spaces to mobs can spawn.
    2 - Torch spamming is prevented with this way. It's so hard to me check out the light level with F3. With this feature, i will no longer have to check out because i can see where is dark, where isn't!

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    I posted this on the other thread, but as a mapmaker, a gamerule or some other method for controlling the light level mobs spawn at would be very useful (especially for spawners). I have a lot of areas with low lighting where mobs can still spawn that would break completely in this update. Having dim lights (1-7) helps a lot with visibility.

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    I think mobs should spawn at least at level 3 or so, that way. It should prevent a lot of mobs spawning, but still have balance and not make caves totally devoid of mobs when a glow lichens are there.

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    I played the snapshot for several hours yesterday, and I feel like this is overall an awesome change. Spawn proofing an area previously was really tedious and unintuitive; this change makes it so much less painless. Monster spawns during the night and in dark caves don't feel different either, which is nice, they feel about the same as 1.17. The one complaint I have is that cave spider spawners feel a lot easier than before (I didn't find any dungeons, so can't comment on those). You can light them pretty easily from a distance, without really needing to deal with the cobwebs. I even ran into a cave spider spawner in a lush cave that was (mostly) deactivated by glowberries, which is cool rare generation, but I'm not sure if it's balanced.

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    This an excellent change. The ability to secure a village, and allow the villagers to run freely in it without carpet bombing the ground with torches would be a very welcome change.

    I do hope that either this is kept permanent, or perhaps a new craft able item that causes this effect in a radius.

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    THIS CHANGE IS FANTASTIC.
    I always thought it was completely arbitrary and confusing assigning mob spawning to a completely random light value that just "feels right."
    It's much more intuitive and much more definitive to just say, mobs spawn where there is no light.
    GREAT CHANGE. QUALITY OF LIFE MASSIVELY IMPROVED. HELPFUL FOR NEW PLAYERS.
    This change will only increase the efficiency of mob farms as well, because there are less spawning spaces in caves.
    This is the greatest new feature in the 1.18 snapshot, and that says a lot considering almost the entire game got a fresh coat of paint.

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    I really like this change, because now players can use light levels to add more mood and ambience to buildings

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    Maybe they cold tie monster spawn light level to difficulty settings. Such as easy(0) medium (4) hard(7)

  • 17
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    This is an absolutely amazing change! Now I won't have to spam torches everywhere or use F3 constantly just to keep my base safe from mobs.

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    Love this change. I hope that in the future you guys add a command or a game rule that lets people change what light level mobs spawn or not. That allows for map makers to use low light sources to light up areas that they intend to be filled with mobs but don't want to keep it pitch dark. For people who don't fall under that niche player base, I think that this change is just amazing. Moody lightning and usefulness of other light sources that weren't for example torches or glowstone, was something that was missing and an issue in this game. Luckily this change addresses that and makes it so that people can more logically understand where one or another mob could spawn rather than constantly relying on F3 screen.

    Thank you for this change.

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    Other solution I have is to make mobs spawn in caves when it's on nighttime. Similar to the surface. Unlike daytime which mobs spawn only in complete darkness, mobs (in caves) during nighttime should be unaffected by light sources that are below 7. 

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    I am in love with this change. It is so much more intuitive, and I don't have to keep looking at F3 to make sure my base is safe anymore. This opens up a lot of options for building with moodier lighting, too. A lot of people seem to suggest that this is going to make the game too easy, but after playing in survival for a while I noticed two things:

    1.  Actually doesn't feel that much different in terms of mob numbers in unexplored caves compared to 1.17, just makes it so fewer things spawn near you (or worse, spawn in random blocks behind you that just happened to be one light level under the spawn threshold)
    2. There are other ways to increase difficulty, I don't understand why people aren't considering other options such as simply increasing spawn rates in the darkness. There's no reason to think that the only way to make the mobs harder is to eliminate this feature.

    Also, it would be nice if there were a more natural way to tell in which places slimes spawn, since we're talking about mob spawns. Maybe now with the new underground biomes we can have slimes spawning in specific biomes that the player can recognize visually? Right now we basically have to use third party tools to analyze the seed or dig a huge pit and watch with chunk borders enabled to figure out where slimes will spawn, which obviously is bad for immersion.

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    I believe this is a great change, and I think it's fine this way as well. The only thing I can think of this affecting is mob farms, however the tinted glass would help tremendously with that, and it's already implemented!

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    This is a great change! I believe this will make the majority of the Minecraft community very happy. After playing a few hours, I don't want to go back now. What would be nice is a carpet like block, maybe tinted glass, that blocks out all light but is still transparent. But make it where you can place it on the side of blocks as well. It would go nicely with the tinted glass blocks that are in the game. It would be helpful for mob spawners and builds. Overall, great idea. Love it!

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    Absolutely wonderful system, very simple, super straight forward, easy to work with, every light source is now valid and can actually be used for preventing spawns! No arbitrary number to keep track of (like light 7) where mobs can spawn. If you see light, nothing can spawn! Dead simple and I love it:) also very little affect on mob farms which is nice!

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    Make drowns spawn in a water cave

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    I love this change. It helps a ton to prevent mobs from in huge caves without having to spam torches everywhere. I personally don't see a problem with this. There is still a lot of places that mobs can spawn in caves so I think this change is well balanced. Keep up the good work. Hope everyone that reads this have/had a great day. And sorry if this comment is not much feedback I just don't have much to say. I think this is great and everything you all are doing is great.

  • 10
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    Yay! Soul Torches aren't useless anymore!

    Although, I do think it should be more light level 2 or lower... or something like that (maybe?).

  • 10
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    Definitely should stay in the game! I just think that the Glow Lichens should be balanced a bit, maybe being more common on cave ceilings and less on the floors, or only giving off a light level of 5.

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    This is a nice change for Bedrock players because the F3 menu isn’t available on that platform. It’s nice that we already have the tinted glass block to go along with this to fix a lot of the lighting issues that this could cause in farms. Overall though, if this is reverted, it would be nice to replace it with some way to indicate light levels on Bedrock edition so that Bedrock players have parity on the F3 menu. This update would also enable way better ambient lighting as builders could light up an area with more creative lighting without mobs spawning everywhere. I recently torch spammed a village that I think would look much nicer with alternate lighting sources that would be buffed by this change such as the glow lichen and soul torches. This also has a nice effect on mushroom farms where we can have spawn-free mushroom farms without worrying about soul torch spamming. I’m not experienced enough in red stone to know, but red stone torches may need a nerf on their light level or something to keep this from breaking farms. This might not be the case though, and someone more experienced in this area should have the authoritative voice here.

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    This change should stay; It allows better building with moody lighting. Great change.

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    Honestly I would not implement this change at all. It will make caving way too easy, and despite them being absolutely beautiful , they still need to be scary. Maybe a solution would be in choosing a level of difficulty fo your worls. When in easy, this change would be a welcome change, but if you choose hard on bedrock, you should be bombarded by mobs. We have a great amount of armour and tactics in the game to protect the players, so I would definitely not make the game easier. Make the game harder based on difficulty level so it is more fun and interresting.

  • 9
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    I absolutely like this :)

  • 9
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    Thank god for this amazing change this will make lush caves and caves in general so much easier to explore and admire

    Also this will make building structures with mood lighting so so much easier to build
    Keep up the amazing work!✌

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    As a builder and redstoner... I really love it!
    It's much easier to make cities and not have mobs like creepers spawning on spots that are just a bit too dark and destroying your work. It will effect some mobfarms tho, but that's ok since we do have tinted glass now so I think it just gives it more purpose.

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    Damn, this is such a relief!

  • 8
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    I think the changes are definitely for the better, torch spam and the inability to create darker themed builds without having mobs spawn has been quite a problem since the inception of the game. While I still think that beacons should be used to prevent spawning no matter the light level (because it gives beacons more use than just to mine faster/jump higher), this change allows for more creative freedom and also allows people to have more control over mob spawning without relying on end-game items like beacons. 

    With the new terrain generation, I'd say that spawning in complete darkness is a good balance change, considering the sheer number of nooks and crannies that can come from the new terrain generation, making it damn near impossible to prevent spawning without using up the world's supply of coal to make torches.

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    So far so good. I like the new light level changes for the following 

    1. less resources for torchs and lights

    2. Less light sources are wasted

    3. easier to know what is dark or not.

    4. this reduces lag by a lot

    - Mobs spawning in the huge caves

    -torch lag from the particle effects they produce

    5. allows people to make very dark rooms without mobs spawning

    6. Helps mob grinders as we have to light up less areas

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    I think it should be added as a gamerule and possibly it should also balance crafting recipes of light sources e.g. torches recipe could be nerfed from 4 down to 2. And overall only complete darkness seems still too much, maybe at least in Y level 2-3 something like that.

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    It's so much better!

    I can see exactly where things won't spawn and can use any light source I want!

    I don't have to use so many torches to light the new caves.

    The old system was such a pain. You couldn't tell if you spawn proofed an area without F3, you could not have mood lighting, and you had to use specific light sources.