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Additional Smithing Table use in 1.17 (Copper)

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    I was thinking this too, although bronze is a tin/copper alloy, tin armor could replace leather as the first armor set. Gold and copper could get you Rose gold, and Iron and coal could make steel. gameplay wise, I really like the idea of mixing and matching armor to get different results. Bronze could be a basic upgrade because its so early game, it could be slightly weaker than iron, but give some other benefit, like heath regen that gets stronger the more bronze you have on. Rose quartz could lessen the range piglins attack you instead of canceling it out, but be much stronger and more durable. Steel would be incredibly easy to get, so I don't think it should be a full on upgrade because you'll never end up using iron, maybe it can last longer but be less enchantable.

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    AlexIsAnHuman

    1. Leather is not the first armor set, it is an oft-unused armor used only for cosmetics.

    2. If Bronze is made with Iron Tools on the smithing table but it's weaker than iron, why would it be made at all?

    3. Real-life Bronze is stronger than simple iron.

    4. All new metals used for alloys (tin, copper) should not have their own tier. It is perfectly okay for a mineral to be used for stuff other than weaponry, like enchanting, building, or, unfortunately, telescopes.

    Although I have changed my mind about tin, i still believe that not every new mineral added has to be added to a gear set. In fact, before 1.16, i would have supported removing the gold and chainmail tiers as they add nothing to the game.

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    bronze and gold armor mixed in a smithing table should keep you save from piglin brutes

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    add a portal to another world in the new version!

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    What if with bronze you could make a spear and upgraded bow, so they're not really taking the place of between iron and diamond. Bronze is more durable and makes your Arrows fly more straight further maybe a little extra damage. A bronze spear is like a trident but you can get it without killing a drown.
    bronze Spears do less damage but inflict bleeding, which is kind of like poisoning. The weapon can be used up close and far away, with a great attack reach. It would also be interesting if you could have a bronze Shield, a more rounded Shield type benefits would be more durability maybe some enchantments like attracting arrows to the shield itself. The downside would be weight it would slow the character down and after a minute or two give you fatigue and slowness for like 10 seconds or 30 seconds. Bronze arrows can shoot normal distances when used with a bronze bow. And will deal more damage but you cannot put potions on them. They do less damage than the normal Arrow when used with a normal bow, also a much shorter range. The arrows could possibly be picked up and used multiple times before finally disappearing. Maybe they have like a chance that when you shoot a mob, the arrow will disappear and shatter like a one-in-five chance. They could possibly add bronze hardened arrows found like God apples having greater durability and more damage. A bronze crossbow will shoot the farthest and have the longest durability.

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    I also think that they should not be enchanted to nerf them a bit

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    Hyperboy Seventyfive Why would they need nerfing? You literally need three ores to make it, one of which can only be found in a specific biome. Also, if you couldn't enchant them, that would make no sense as you can literally enchant any piece of armor or tool. Heck, you can even enchant a Pumpkin!

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    maby you coud charge a bronze tool using a litening rod somehow. this coud stun the mob or player with elictresaty, maby even set them on fier!!!

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    Bronze ingots could be made by combining copper and gold. They could have the advantage of being as strong as iron but liked by piglins.

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    Bronze is not made of Copper and Gold. It is historically innacurate and also would remove the usage of Gold Armor. Please think before you comment.

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    I would like to thank each and every one of the people who got this to 500 upvotes. I know this idea is extremely unlikely to be put in 1.17 or 1.18, but the fact that so many people thought this was a great idea is just mind-blowing. Peace to all :)

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    Netherite is the only alloy in the game, and the only use of smithing tables. I am pretty sure toolsmiths don't work with JUST Netherite. But seriously, there should be alloys that we can use to upgrade things. (Iron and Diamond could make slightly-less-enchantable but stronger Steel. Gold and Copper could make Brass.) You did make a great point about the smithing table not having a use until the diamond level.

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    Hadopelagic Rainbow I don't think brass would be in the game unless we added zinc, which is even less likely to exist than tin. I do think steel will make it to the game eventually. But, adding two gear sets between iron and diamond seemed like a bit much. I had to choose between bronze and steel, and bronze just seemed more interesting than steel.

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    Good idea but what about tin?

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    TechnoXander20 what about it?

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    I don’t think Bronze should be above Iron, I think it would make more sense to go from Stone to Bronze, and then Bronze to Iron. I know that technically Bronze is stronger than regular iron, and that it’s steel that has the advantage. But I feel like according to Minecraft’s logic, Iron is basically steel. I say this because Flint and Steel exists in Minecraft, yet it’s made from Flint and Iron.

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    ThanosCreeper What many don't understand is that if bronze is not above iron, it defeats the point of this entire post. It will also make Bronze completely useless.

    If Bronze is lower than Iron, we cannot upgrade Iron tools to Bronze ones in the Smithing Table.

    If Bronze is lower than iron, there is no point to seeking out iron, copper, AND tin for a smithing table and a bronze ingot when you should just make iron tools at the get-go.

    I can see why you say that Iron = Steel, but making bronze weaker than iron does not align with real life and it also breaks the function of the metal.

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    @DarkStalkerMoon The point I’m making is that Bronze tools shouldn’t be made from the smithing table with iron. The way I see it, I think you should just make bronze tools the same way you make all other tools excluding netherite. So the progression would be using a stone pickaxe to mine Copper and Tin, combine those to make bronze ingots, make bronze tools from those, use a bronze pickaxe to mine iron, and then so on. The only way I could see Bronze being above Iron is if they find a way to separate normal iron and add steel as it’s own thing. I would like to see more use from the smithing table, but I don’t think combining Bronze and Iron is the best way to go, I know you can combine them together in real life, but to be fair you can combine almost any metal/ore together in real life.

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    @ThanosCreeper the whole point of this post is to give another use to the smithing table. And I definitely don't want to make iron harder to get.

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    @DarkStalkerMoon Yes, but the point revolves around adding Bronze tools to the game, which is something I definitely want to see, I just don’t think it should be done like this, but that’s just my opinion. And I’m not saying iron would be harder to get, it would just take longer, which I believe is a good thing because it makes the progression of the game longer.

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    ThanosCreeper Ok, it just seems that we will have a difference of opinion then. But, remember, the title of the post was to give a smithing table an additional use, and also, I think all alloys should be made in the smithing table. If we can mix diamonds and gold and cinnamon rolls and get something like netherite, i think we can do the same with copper, iron, and tin.

    Remember how most netherite items are only made of gold and scraps. (blocks, ingots) But it's the gear that requires diamond. It's the same thing with Bronze. Most Bronze items will be made with just copper and tin, but bronze gear will require iron. Since it is a Bronze-Iron alloy, of course it will be stronger than the iron it was made with in the first place. 

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    you are right about how it's easy to get, but hard to use. great idea.

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    @DarkStalker You don’t have to keep bringing up the main idea of the post as it adds nothing to the argument. Again yes, the post is about adding more functionality to the smithing table, but the actual post is talking about adding bronze tools. That is where my argument is focused on. I will say though I would like to see more use for the smithing table, I mean who doesn’t? And if Mojang does end up going down this route I won’t really mind, cause the idea does make sense to some degree, but I personally do not think bronze should be above iron, maybe another material could be added that could be combined with iron tools in a smithing table, cause there are plenty of other ores/metals that exist in the real world that have yet to be added in Minecraft. You don’t have to agree, cause you’re at least right we’re probably gonna have a difference in opinion, but I just want to share this either way.

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    Thats a smart way to introduce new metals to the game without having to add a whole new range of metal ores into generation. Other alloys with different mixtures would be really cool like rose gold from gold and copper. Personally, I think the whole tool system should be revamped and alloy ingots could be created from combining various minerals, such as steel from charcoal and iron

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    Bronze needs tin which should've been added in the update.  Disappointed they only added copper as an ore. Copper, tin and bronze shouldve all been part of the update.

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    I think copper should be used to reinforce gold tools instead, as they're currently useless. This will kill three birds with one stone: making smithing table, copper, and gold equipment more useful.

    And instead of a tier system, they could instead be weaker than iron but with additional effects, such as health, speed, jump, stealth, or damage resistance against certain things. For tools, they could have an extra enchant level (such as Knockback III, Fortune IV) but still weaker than Iron. Keep in mind that gold pickaxes can only obtain low-tier ores, so it's not overpowered. It gives players more options to play with, instead of one equipment tier eclipsing them all.

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    I like it, but some suggestions:

    -Have copper to bronze work like diamond to netherite. Meaning, you would need to make copper tools (which would be just barely above stone, but still far below iron) and use a tin ingot in a smithing table with copper tools/armor to make them into bronze.

    -Bronze tools would be the same as iron.

    -Bronze armor would give a total of 13 armor points as opposed to iron's 15, but bronze has more durability than iron.

    -Be able to also make bronze shields, which has more durability than a regular shield.

    -Tin can only be found in certain biomes, like emeralds (pre-1.18)

    Overall, I think this is a good idea because copper really doesn't have any material use right now. This would also result in the addition of tin, a new ore to keep an eye out for that any have other uses later (who knows?) Regardless, I would love to see this in vanilla Minecraft.

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    Chris Freeman

    Bronze already does work like Diamond to Netherite.

    Netherite Tools, just like Bronze ones, have three components.

    Diamond (The Tool), Gold, and Scraps (The last two making up the Netherite Ingot.)

    Bronze Ones work nearly identical to this.

    Iron (The Tool), Copper, and Tin (The last two making up the netherite ingot.

    That does not mean that you need Copper Tools to do this. If it did, then Netherite would be made from Gold Tools instead of Diamond ones.

    By making the tools with iron, the rest of your points don't make sense and are factualy innacurate. (Bronze is stronger than Iron, despite what many people think.)

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    También sería muy bueno que hicieran más Mobs aéreos pues ya que solo hay loros y ya, sería también muy bueno que metiera mountros nuevos

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    So I'm looking at the comments And I've noticed a lot of people have been wanting to see Tin be added. works better than with Iron + Bronze and It could mean we could get a new Side-Grade to Iron. I could see Bronze could have the same states as Iron, with the added advantage of a damage Increase and knockback resistance, making It an alternate path In which only a sword and a set of Armor, perhaps a shield could be crafted. Not to mention Tin could also be given It's own uses as a decoration block, or even be used as an alternative to Honeycomb to create a Non-oxidizing "Bronze block."

    Overall adding bronze would be very awe-inducing and would potentially bring more to the table beyond generic armor and tools.