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Additional Smithing Table use in 1.17 (Copper)

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    I think that it should be golden tools that get upgraded into an alloy, since they're virtually useless right now. Maybe instead of bronze tools, it should be gilded tools? They could have the speed of gold, but with the durability and mining potential of iron, making them much more useful. It'll still leaving diamond and netherite where they are, since diamonds are still very fast and are leagues more durable than gilded, but still being a viable alternative pre-max enchants due to their speed.

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    This would not work with iron armor or swords because if they get upgraded they are strong as diamond tools. So you could only upgrade the durability.

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    Sim0ster good point... i know this is a tough ask because it's unprecedented, but maybe we could have decimal points (6.5 damage), that would give a 50% chance of taking away another half heart

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    Bronze is weaker than iron though

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    Joseph Rahner Bronze is not weaker than iron. Bronze is weaker than carburized iron, iron mixed with carbon that is basically steel.

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    I really like this idea! I think it would be super fun to see this in the game, and maybe you could make bronze ingots that could be used for new recipes? I felt like the telescope could be crafted with bronze instead of copper, making it a bit more challenging to get, as you would need iron. Maybe you could even make a new combat item, like a bronze gauntlet or something. 

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    MDGCixle101 thanks! I think we should leave it up to the devs of whether they want to change the recipe, but I agree that the bronze ingot could be a thing. Maybe the bronze ingot could be the way to stop copper blocks from oxidizing, by combining copper with iron to make the block. 

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    I think there should be more use to this besides protection/faster/stronger than iron. I could just use diamond for that. Wooden Tools can be obtained early-game, Iron armor is plentiful and cheap, even gold armor has a use as it can be used to protect from piglins. I just don't see the use of this.

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    TympanicCafe546 the use of Bronze Armor is that it is stronger than iron while also being more plentiful than diamond. As for the "special use" thing, i have another thread relating to that. 

    https://feedback.minecraft.net/hc/en-us/community/posts/360074275011-Fauns-in-the-new-Cliffs-and-Geodes 

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    Bronze is Copper and Tin, not Copper and Iron. They should add Cassiterite. Tin Blocks would be a lot like Copper blocks. Because who doesn't like the sound of rain on a tin roof?

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    Maybe "copper plate iron" 

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    Thiis is rlly coo! But it. needs balancing like it gives you a buff of speed, and i was think that on a brone helmet you could add dyed feathers to the top! :)

     

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    Copper with Gold could be called "Rose Gold", as would be more accurate, but 'Gilded' still sounds better imo

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    DarkstalkerMoon I have to disagree about naming conventions in Minecraft. Mycelium, Podzol, Calcite, Tuff, Diorite, Andesite, Hyphae, Arthropods, Silverfish, and Elytra are all real things that are named somewhat accurately in Minecraft that aren't very well known.

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    Not sure if this would be a good use for them because diamond exists.

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    Wilhelkus You have a good point that is somewhat correct. Although I already know what Calcite, Silverfish, Hyphae, and Arthropods are, most of your other points are true, not many people, including me, would know what they are. With the exception of Tuff, The stone types just sound like stone lol. "Arthropods" is just mentioned in an enchantment, and if people google what it does, they would most likely find out what arthropods are too. "Elytra" just sounds made up, and most people would think that it is a fictional item used only in the world of Minecraft (which is wrong, Elytra does exist irl, but that's not the point)

    There are two main problems with Cassiterite.

    A) It sounds much more like a stone than a metal, and it is also a mouthful to say.

    B) If tin is added, it would obviously just be called Tin. Calling it Cassiterite would confuse people.

    Noodle Boy I have already addressed this issue, please read my response to TympanicCafe546. 

    SnappyDolphin24 Thank you for your feedback! However, I don't think the speed buff is very realistic, and I think the idea with the fauns in the link to TympanicCafe is enough to buff it. The main thing that this gives is an early-game use for the smithing table, and a bridge between the iron and diamond tiers.

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    Maybe it could be copper-iron because that a bit more realistic. 

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    truggles1 no offense, but a copper-iron helmet sounds terrible.

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    maybe bronze tools would be more unique so you insted of swinging the sword you perform a fast stabbinng attack so It's not just stats but an unique ability

     

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    Or they can add tin. There just isn't a named alloy of Copper and Iron, and to get Bronze from Copper and Iron, it might confuse people into thinking that's how bronze is made.

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    TymJuniver decimal damage already exists, all health is stored in 20ths of hearts

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    I like the direction, you're going in; you're adding a large sink for non-builders. However, I wouldn't use iron tools to be put on the chopping block. Another user mentioned gold tools, giving the durability of iron, but still allowing diamond & netherite to remain on top.

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    I like this idea, but iron isn’t used in real life to make bronze, copper and tin are used.

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    I don't think Minecraft needs some new tools now, but it is good to add new uses of bronze. And I hope a new boss will be added to Minecraft because we have only 2 bosses for a long time.

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    I cant vote as the smithing table already has a use

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    TymJuniver 
    *looks around at the dozens of people wanting new ores as well*
    *looks at how every ore in the game is named "<material> Ore". No Hematite, no Native Gold, no Kimberlite, no Native Copper*

    People want more ores, and have been begging for more ores. Mojang never said they wouldn't add more ores after Copper, just that there were no plans. Just because YOU don't know about something doesn't make it obscure. And I'm offering that Tin would have the same use as Copper: decoration blocks. I'm not asking for a million new ores here, just one. I don't know how obscure YOU think Copper + Tin = Bronze is, I know most well known cases of mods implementing Bronze use copper and tin. I'm not saying Tin Ore should be called Cassiterite. That's just one of the most common Tin ores. There aren't many uses for Copper and Amethyst as of yet, so what? They were added last week, while most other ores were added nine or ten years ago, and have had a long time to gain new uses. I'm not asking for Sapphires and Rubies and a million other things because "it would be cool", I'm advocating for one ore. One ore, so that the alloy Bronze is made with the same composition as real life. And I offered a use, as decoration, the same as Copper.

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    TymJuniver 
    "Things don't need to be exactly the same as real life." They seem to be wanting to use the game as education more and more. They add useless mobs because "They're rare and we don't want to incentivize killing them, but to bring attention to their plights". As much as it may annoy the **** out of us, it seems that they want us to learn something, for some reason. (They've clearly botched the implementation, and now some people kill these 'endangered animals' in sight simply because they're useless.) Considering this, considering that they were gonna have us breed parrots with chocolate chip cookies (which would poison a real parrot), considering that they made coral blocks die when placed on the surface, while sea pickles don't, *considering that it would have costed them $0 to not do these things*, they did. If they're going to add Bronze, they should at least not give almost three hundred million people the misconception that Bronze is made with Copper and Iron in real life. They made Coal appear in beds or seams, they will make copper appear in veins, and they make Diamond appear near lava tubes. Why shouldn't they make Bronze craftable from Copper and Tin?

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    They probably should add Tin first so that you can combine it with copper to make bronze; definitely think there could be some room for bronze tools. Less durable than diamond, but a similar mining efficiency.

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    we definitely need more uses for the smithing table. so something like bronze would be nice but maybe make it an alloy of copper and iron (not like real life, but the idea of alloys can still be educational). we could possibly also add steel now we're at it (possibly a combo of iron and coal=carbon).
    Bronze could be a durability improvement to stone and Steel a durability and efficiency improvement to iron.
    It should also add unique effect that other tools/weapons don't have, but don't really have an idea for the moment...
    This would additionaly make the smithing table an alloy-only utility.

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    Perhaps these tools made out of Iron and Copper should be Gold Speed with Iron Durability but it rusts overtime and depending on the tier of rust it will lose Durability 1|2|3|4 times faster.